[Ban] Multiple People: Lil_Killa, Black Elf, and Tydrel

[Cake]

Name(s): Lil_Killa, Black Elf, Tydrel

Steam ID(s):
#    178 "Black Elf"         STEAM_0:1:19627162   1:49:30    91    0 active
#    181 "Tydrel"            STEAM_0:1:4565009    1:34:36   100    0 active
#    183 "Lil_Killa          STEAM_0:0:8012390

Reason for Ban: I wish for these three in particular to be banned for one major reason. I just switched back to my character after making another and then I encountered three men named Zane Law, Forceti Oken, and Kalrich Oken. One of the Okens started to say Elder Scroll References while one of the other powergamed to slit my throat. I mistaken that for an LOOC situation then, I realized they didn't mean it for a LOOC situation. They said,"no, you need to die,"  I ignored him and accepted to ICly die and walked off to the spawn. I walked back over the to the direction of the town and then they followed me to saying drop your loot. I said why and they said because I died. So I dropped a few crafting items and a book and then they said they wanted everything. So I gave them a few more things and walked off to the town again. Then, they followed me again and one of them started hitting me "/me starts hacking at the man". I tried to explain my self to them, then all of them started hacking me with a Long sword without /meing. I tried defending my self, then I died thus losing my longsword and other items. My faction was House of Bromithil and I was supposed to be in the Guard Tower by now.

Their characters: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/648752231881083432/BB799A9157A68141598938B02C371B006303465B/

How Long: I believe they should be banned for atleast a day or two and have they're characters PK'd. This ruined my experience on the Crussaria server and I dont want others experience ruined also.

Supporters: N/A

(Extra) Witnesses: |HGN| Cole-Kiin.... Swagonborn

P.S. I was to furious to get the logs, so I just quit without thinking.

[Genesis]

They should definitely be punished for this. Isn't there some rule against taking all of a persons items & money when robbing them?


Also, both Oken's were recruited into the town guard around two days ago, and now they're robbing other guards? This is just fucking ridiculous.

[whyku]

There seems to be no hard proof that they did do this. Try and find some proof because from what I have seen admins don't/can't do much without proof. Going off of he said she said is not proof that can be used. Try and get the time/date and maybe someone can pull up the logs of them doing it if they did do it.

[Genesis]

There seems to be no hard proof that they did do this. Try and find some proof because from what I have seen admins don't/can't do much without proof. Going off of he said she said is not proof that can be used. Try and get the time/date and maybe someone can pull up the logs of them doing it if they did do it.

What you said is true, there's not much proof. But for fuck sake, we all know Cake isn't lying. Forceti Oken was even bragging to me earlier about how he made 1k off of robbing people last night. I didn't think much of it. But considering that there was only five people on the server, four of them being peasants, there's no way he could have made 1k by robbing fairly.

[Paintcheck]

Sounds like another Rommel/Black Hand. I'm not around this weekend at all (currently playing water polo in a tournament and posting on my phone) but I will keep an eye on them when I get back. Actual logs would be nice as well.

[whyku]

Wait now that I think about it, I joined the server then ALL 3 of them left at the same time. I know its not proof or anything but when you do things like that it screams guilty.


*Sigh* One group of lolbandits get stopped and one more pops up.....

I post if I + or - support  this once Lil_Killa, Black Elf, and Tydrel tells there side of the story.

[Frostee]

+support

[RAPTOR]

It's True actually, Ive been watching these group of thugs alot lately.
Ive been trying to give them tips on making it fair/warning them for others but they seem like another Blackhand gang and seem to be doing it when admins are offline.
Ill talk to them, They somewhat idolise me.

[whyku]

It's True actually, Ive been watching these group of thugs alot lately.
Ive been trying to give them tips on making it fair/warning them for others but they seem like another Blackhand gang and seem to be doing it when admins are offline.
Ill talk to them, They somewhat idolise me.

People should apply in private or something to have the right to rob people.

Everyone with a stick now days thinks they are Bill the Kid.

[RAPTOR]

I think everyone has the rights to rob people, Just these guys are too excessive, They ask for helmets and gear and money all in one robbery, When really they should take the small things like just Crowns and move on.

[Dakota]

Before we go off killing their character's and banning them we must realize that this is new blood to the server. I have taken part on one of these highway robberies and in that instance they role-played it rather well. Your always risking your life when you venture out alone on the open road's I think a good direct response would be to give a quest to a knight within a city or other strong player the man who lost everything and perhasp try to get your stuff back in RP and give someone else the chance to rp being a hero.

This is a ic problem that the city and king would have to deal with icly issue guards bounty hunters ect.

[whyku]

Robbing is all good in all, but when you start to do things like this.


5 people are the server

4 of them are bandits....

1 gets robbed and has no chance of RP.

[RAPTOR]

I admit they do some fair robberies every now and then but it always ends up with them actually Using their weapons to kill the char/player when they died IC.
They do it alot, Even to me but they gave me my items back afterwards.
If they just calmed down on their trigger happy fingers and not actually kill the players with their weapons then we can settle this out.

Also as Whyku said, Shouldn't really rob 1 person when the majority of the server is on your side.

[Dakota]

I admit they do some fair robberies every now and then but it always ends up with them actually Using their weapons to kill the char/player when they died IC.
They do it alot, Even to me but they gave me my items back afterwards.
If they just calmed down on their trigger happy fingers and not actually kill the players with their weapons then we can settle this out.

Also as Whyku said, Shouldn't really rob 1 person when the majority of the server is on your side.

Well I was unaware of that rule myself perhasp there should be a dicussion when this type of rp is alright like a certain number of people online?

[whyku]

I have a feeling that you are one of the 3...... If you are please just tell us.


Its not a rule....well I don't think there is a rule about being a itemwhore. And you could throw in a meta. I have watched 6 people robe 1 person in the middle of town because they thought I was AFK.  Lil_Killa, Black Elf, and Tydrel sound like itemwhores they act like itemwhores.

Meta: You are using OOC knowledge that no one will stop you from robbing because there is no one else on.

They should get a good 12 hour ban and a good talking too.

[Dakota]

Accusing people without proof is one the few step's to damnation
my steam_0:1:5642577 in case you have any other wild remark's to make about my character.

Also what exactly is your definition of a thief? To my understand its someone who steal's another person's property. Item's are property or have I been mistaken this entire time?

Also are you suggesting that this three men waited till no one was around that could stop them? That context would only work if the person was AFK and robbed to my knowledge RP did in fact take place. However the idea of banning someone just because they role played something negative such as a criminal in character while admin's weren't on isn't a reason to ban anyone.

There are way's IC character to deal with such people such as bounty board or staying off the main roads due to the bandit problem. In order for this ban request to move forward I think the log's should be posted. If shown that role play was indeed used than this post was made in ill will as a ban request is not appropriate as they broke no visible rule.

From my experience with the group of bandits you speak of the man we did rob tried to find any loop hole that he could escape the robbery. No one wants to lose the items they worked hard to obtain but this rp isn't about collecting items its about developing a character. Just think of the character's you might have meet if you had role played this meet a bounty hunter maybe even be taught how to become one perhaps?

I do not believe any disciplinary action should be taken if logs do return that this was in fact role played. However I do recognize your complaints loss's and that if left unchecked could potentially drive users away due to losses. Solution: Move the boundaries of where it is acceptable. This can be done by adding a npc guard on main road's and using the main city rule of no one can be attacked without having to rp fighting guards as well and I doubt a small team of bandits could take on a well trained guard in full armor and a sword who potentialy has a horn to signal others to come to his aid.


Also the idea of robber's who only take Crown's from someone wearing shining armor or equipment which can be sold for a major profit it ludicrous. It does not make any sense in character when I have taken the risk of robbing someone and seeing there wealth such as armor or sword why wouldn't I take it? 

[Gonztah]

"There are way's IC character to deal with such people such as bounty board."    -Uhh he died so it'd be meta if he suddenly went: THESE GUYS ARE ROBBERS *Places bounty*


"I do not believe any disciplinary action should be taken if logs do return that this was in fact role played."   -Is there a reason you started to slash him with the swords instead of /meing it?


"Also the idea of robber's who only take Crown's from someone wearing shining armor or equipment which can be sold for a major profit it ludicrous. It does not make any sense in character when I have taken the risk of robbing someone and seeing there wealth such as armor or sword why wouldn't I take it?"    -Because it's extremely douchey to take someones expensive armor, weapons and all their money. Leaving them at square one while you run off giggling and robbing more players.



I mean I have a bandit character on one of the servers and my policy is this: 1/4 of their money (max 2k) and their weapon IF its cheap. Taking someones armor/suit is just being a complete asshole.

[Dakota]

"There are way's IC character to deal with such people such as bounty board."    -Uhh he died so it'd be meta if he suddenly went: THESE GUYS ARE ROBBERS *Places bounty*
(Couldn't he rp waking up wounded and stumble back to the city barely alive?)


"I do not believe any disciplinary action should be taken if logs do return that this was in fact role played."   -Is there a reason you started to slash him with the swords instead of /meing it?

(Wasn't there nor has log's been posted yet this is all speculation but I highly doubt this is how it went down.)

"Also the idea of robber's who only take Crown's from someone wearing shining armor or equipment which can be sold for a major profit it ludicrous. It does not make any sense in character when I have taken the risk of robbing someone and seeing there wealth such as armor or sword why wouldn't I take it?"    -Because it's extremely douchey to take someones expensive armor, weapons and all their money. Leaving them at square one while you run off giggling and robbing more players.
( The same could be said losing in other type's of rp hell my first character was jumped by a bunch of cultist and my heart cut out.)



I mean I have a bandit character on one of the servers and my policy is this: 1/4 of their money (max 2k) and their weapon IF its cheap. Taking someones armor/suit is just being a complete asshole.
(Then admin's need to make a rule if you feel this is the way it should be because in the server its a gray area.)

[Pink!]

#    178 "Black Elf"         STEAM_0:1:19627162   1:49:30    91    0 active

Ah, Drow. Always troublemakers.

Jokes aside, if what he says is true, it's rude, even if it's not against the rules. Blatantly robbing someone, multiple times, in a time when the server is inactive isn't fun for the person being robbed, and it isn't good for the server. Roleplay's about creating a story, through collaboration.

[Dakota]

#    178 "Black Elf"         STEAM_0:1:19627162   1:49:30    91    0 active

Ah, Drow. Always troublemakers.

Jokes aside, if what he says is true, it's rude, even if it's not against the rules. Blatantly robbing someone, multiple times, in a time when the server is inactive isn't fun for the person being robbed, and it isn't good for the server. Roleplay's about creating a story, through collaboration.

I didn't read where he robbed them multiple times care to show me where?

[Pink!]

One of the Okens started to say Elder Scroll References while one of the other powergamed to slit my throat. I mistaken that for an LOOC situation then, I realized they didn't mean it for a LOOC situation. They said,"no, you need to die,"  I ignored him and accepted to ICly die and walked off to the spawn. I walked back over the to the direction of the town and then they followed me to saying drop your loot. I said why and they said because I died. So I dropped a few crafting items and a book and then they said they wanted everything. So I gave them a few more things and walked off to the town again. Then, they followed me again and one of them started hitting me "/me starts hacking at the man".

Impression I got, at least.
 

[lolKieck]

"There are way's IC character to deal with such people such as bounty board."    -Uhh he died so it'd be meta if he suddenly went: THESE GUYS ARE ROBBERS *Places bounty*
(Couldn't he rp waking up wounded and stumble back to the city barely alive?)   yes especially how a sword could decapitate or cut his arm off


"I do not believe any disciplinary action should be taken if logs do return that this was in fact role played."   -Is there a reason you started to slash him with the swords instead of /meing it? worst action of the robbers' side

(Wasn't there nor has log's been posted yet this is all speculation but I highly doubt this is how it went down.)

"Also the idea of robber's who only take Crown's from someone wearing shining armor or equipment which can be sold for a major profit it ludicrous. It does not make any sense in character when I have taken the risk of robbing someone and seeing there wealth such as armor or sword why wouldn't I take it?"    -Because it's extremely douchey to take someones expensive armor, weapons and all their money. Leaving them at square one while you run off giggling and robbing more players.
( The same could be said losing in other type's of rp hell my first character was jumped by a bunch of cultist and my heart cut out.) who cares, and for armor, it's not like your character matches the weight and height of the victim perfectly



I mean I have a bandit character on one of the servers and my policy is this: 1/4 of their money (max 2k) and their weapon IF its cheap. Taking someones armor/suit is just being a complete asshole.
(Then admin's need to make a rule if you feel this is the way it should be because in the server its a gray area.)  ever heard of common sense

You can't even rob properly. Gontzah has the BEST idea on how to rob, like 100 times better than yours. Nobody is going to make a rule about robbing because it would be exaggerated in every way just not to get robbed. Why is it that Crussaria always gets people who try to fuck over others all the time?

[Ket]

There should be a timer, I mean. After you rob someone, you should wait like 5 IRL hours or something. Similar to Spawn Protection in games like CS:S and TF2


If Cake got robbed in the vicinity of the town it should be voided, since the guards would've helped him...

[Genesis]

It's simple; there should be a rule that makes a cap on how many crowns you can rob during one robbery. I also think it should state that no one can rob for armor/weapons, because frankly, no one would be okay with losing their equipment to a group of peasants.


For fuck sake, this isn't a court room, it's a thread on a gaming community forum. Just give the man his items back and give the robbers a warning or something.

[PimpMasterJ]

Instead of arguing on how to properly rob someone, let's get back on track and discuss how we'd solve the problem at hand.