Robbery Rules Suggestion

[Rhyom Guther]

I suggest a set of rules about robberies, or at least an updated Guide about them. I only suggest this because we have a safebox now that is able to store all of your required items and money.


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The reason that it appeared important to me is because, recently, me and a couple of other players had robbed another player with complete roleplay. Once we had gotten to zip-tie the player and search him for his 'true' belongings, we found out that he had a large sum of money (50,000+ Rubles). We asked for the admin's consent to take the rubles yet he said we are not allowed to. I asked myself, during this situation, why were we not allowed to take all of the player's money because he/she was careless and did not deposit his/her money into the safebox?

That is all I have to say at the moment, thank you for reading.

[HitMan5523]

The safebox has a glitch where everything can disappear. People don't want to take that chance of losing all their rubles.

[Iam333]

Yes, safebox can eat your items, so people dont want to lose their money without chance for refund.

[Khorn]

I wrote up a guide some time ago about robberies.

And besides the fact, robbing a player of all their items is a dick move. I mean honestly, do you think it should be okay to take anyone's full inventory of items simply because they decided to carry it?

[Paintcheck]

I wrote up a guide some time ago about robberies.

And besides the fact, robbing a player of all their items is a dick move. I mean honestly, do you think it should be okay to take anyone's full inventory of items simply because they decided to carry it?

This. Worry about your RP during robberies. If robbing someone isn't fun unless you make off with all of their in game items and weapons (thereby certainly making them rage quit and lower the server population) then you're doing it wrong and shouldn't be robbing people.

[Iam333]

I wrote up a guide some time ago about robberies.

And besides the fact, robbing a player of all their items is a dick move. I mean honestly, do you think it should be okay to take anyone's full inventory of items simply because they decided to carry it?

This. Worry about your RP during robberies. If robbing someone isn't fun unless you make off with all of their in game items and weapons (thereby certainly making them rage quit and lower the server population) then you're doing it wrong and shouldn't be robbing people.

I think we all see your point, but look at this this way. (Example) You stop some stalker near tunnel and take all his stuff (Including rubles and god forbid suit.) He may not ragequit, he might go to trader, buy zipties and find other stalker to rob from. And in no time there will be half of server bunch of bandits only looking for revenge / refund on other people. Also not to mention possible flame war.

[Paintcheck]

That happens already though. There is no way to implement banditing a way that won't cause some people to bitch and whine. That's why the Birds of Prey doesn't exist in any meaningful way, I told my people don't take too much, don't rob new people, etc and instead of getting thanked for that after about a week we had the entire server, including many, many people who had no reason at all to hate us, trying to metagame and powergame the fuck out of us. The player base can't handle robbery it seems and changing the rules isn't going to fix that.

[lolKieck]

Do you still want somebody to rob from? Don't take everything. The robbed guy will metagame the f out of you for taking all of his things. Oh, did somebody mention losing playerbase?

[knife_cz]

Also,I belive zip ties are not allowed to use actually,alot of people have money in their inventory because they will have higher chance to "save" them if safebox eats all your items-and use only RP tying,no OOC-the ooc item is more like a proof you have some ties,and not a asspulled one.

[StickyWicket]

I do have to agree that stealing all of someone's money is a douche move, and is even worse then stealing suits (Witch is against the rules.)  But what RG forgot to mention was that after Goose told us we could not take all of his money, we wanted to just take 20 out of the victim's 70 grand and split it among the 4 of us, each of us getting 5k and the victim walking away with 50 grand. Which seems pretty fair to me considering the amount of people robbing the him.

[lolKieck]

1/3 of the money robbed is okay, maybe the weapon he carries. But taking -everything- shouldn't be done.

[Paintcheck]

5k for one robbery is an insanely high figure. Back when the BoP was able to rob people without getting metagamed to hell (about a year and a half ago) if we scored 500 rubles we'd be happy. Our victims were happier too. For someone to lose 20k at once is a huge figure, that's a high end gun or a high end suit lost in like a minute. Obviously your victim isn't going to be happy about that regardless of how the RP goes.

[StickyWicket]

Obviously your victim isn't going to be happy about that regardless of how the RP goes.

The whole thing was voided by Goose, but I still bet that the victim will still be unhappy with us.

[Rhyom Guther]

The safebox has a glitch where everything can disappear. People don't want to take that chance of losing all their rubles.

Players should start to screen shot their safeboxes or the coders should possibly attempt to fix this problem.

I wrote up a guide some time ago about robberies.

And besides the fact, robbing a player of all their items is a dick move. I mean honestly, do you think it should be okay to take anyone's full inventory of items simply because they decided to carry it?

It IS a dick move. That is why I'm saying players should be careful and simply put their rubles in the safebox instead of their hands.

Pretty much what your all saying is. Instead me putting 5 Million United States Dollars in my bank, I keep it in my wallet. When a robber/mugger attempts to take my cash, an angel falls from the heavens and says that he is only allowed to take 500 dollars (attempting to recreate an admin). Would it be 'fair' for the man attempting to risk his life for money to only be turned away with 500 dollars?

[Paintcheck]

In that case yes it would be fair since the man risking his life is committing a crime under both Common and Judicial Law and deserves to have his shit pushed in by whatever Celestial Beings happen to be in the area.

Be less greedy would be the easy way to solve this problem. Or don't be a bandit because you're going to be dealing with this shit constantly. You will also have Duty and Freedom probably metagaming the shit out of you and attacking you for no reason. That's not going to change any time soon.

[knife_cz]

I wrote up a guide some time ago about robberies.

Readed that guide long time ago,it was and is useful,but honestly nowdays bandits just rob and kill,never take any hostages.They more likely just shoot.

And I think,the bandit should take max.2000 rubles from the victim.

[HitMan5523]

Frosty robbed 6k from me when I first joined the server.

[lolKieck]

In that case yes it would be fair since the man risking his life is committing a crime under both Common and Judicial Law and deserves to have his shit pushed in by whatever Celestial Beings happen to be in the area.

Be less greedy would be the easy way to solve this problem. Or don't be a bandit because you're going to be dealing with this shit constantly. You will also have Duty and Freedom probably metagaming the shit out of you and attacking you for no reason. That's not going to change any time soon.

Sad and half-true. In some cases others get "information" about bandits then tell Duty/Freedom about it.

[Ragolution]

In that case yes it would be fair since the man risking his life is committing a crime under both Common and Judicial Law and deserves to have his shit pushed in by whatever Celestial Beings happen to be in the area.

Be less greedy would be the easy way to solve this problem. Or don't be a bandit because you're going to be dealing with this shit constantly. You will also have Duty and Freedom probably metagaming the shit out of you and attacking you for no reason. That's not going to change any time soon.

Sad and half-true. In some cases others get "information" about bandits then tell Duty/Freedom about it.

Who runs freedom, now?

Back in the day they'd just tell you "Don't carry anything worth stealing" and then go enjoy a fine cigar.

[Rhyom Guther]

In that case yes it would be fair since the man risking his life is committing a crime under both Common and Judicial Law and deserves to have his shit pushed in by whatever Celestial Beings happen to be in the area.

Be less greedy would be the easy way to solve this problem. Or don't be a bandit because you're going to be dealing with this shit constantly. You will also have Duty and Freedom probably metagaming the shit out of you and attacking you for no reason. That's not going to change any time soon.

Sad and half-true. In some cases others get "information" about bandits then tell Duty/Freedom about it.

Who runs freedom, now?

Back in the day they'd just tell you "Don't carry anything worth stealing" and then go enjoy a fine cigar.

Exactly, I'd love it if the rules went back to the good old days.

[Tom]

In that case yes it would be fair since the man risking his life is committing a crime under both Common and Judicial Law and deserves to have his shit pushed in by whatever Celestial Beings happen to be in the area.

Be less greedy would be the easy way to solve this problem. Or don't be a bandit because you're going to be dealing with this shit constantly. You will also have Duty and Freedom probably metagaming the shit out of you and attacking you for no reason. That's not going to change any time soon.

Sad and half-true. In some cases others get "information" about bandits then tell Duty/Freedom about it.

Yeah In some cases the Robbed goes "Woa fuck Theres these super bad bandits robbing people, I was on a hill watching them" and most of the time they are found out to be metagaming, but now that the cat is out of the bag OOCly now, people watch them like they did something horribly wrong anyway, or the said faction goes through with whatever punishment they see fit. Seen it happen with Red Varment when Dug was duty leader. It was stupid.

[knife_cz]

Ah yes "Red Varmint" was fun while Whyku metagamed us to DUTY and then we got killed every day and over and over.. almost every bandit group gets metagamed.
Anyway,what kind of rules do you want to make?

[Goose]

Obviously your victim isn't going to be happy about that regardless of how the RP goes.

The whole thing was voided by Goose, but I still bet that the victim will still be unhappy with us.

Let me clear up this little shits retardation, Don't spread shit about me that isn't true, I told you to give him the fucking 69,000 Rubles back and for him to give you 6k plus his rifle he did so, Go saying i voided shit when i didn't i swear to god i will make your life a living hell.

[StickyWicket]

Obviously your victim isn't going to be happy about that regardless of how the RP goes.

The whole thing was voided by Goose, but I still bet that the victim will still be unhappy with us.

Let me clear up this little shits retardation, Don't spread shit about me that isn't true, I told you to give him the fucking 69,000 Rubles back and for him to give you 6k plus his rifle he did so, Go saying i voided shit when i didn't i swear to god i will make your life a living hell.

I now understand that nothing was voided. My apologies for the miss communication.

[lolKieck]

Obviously your victim isn't going to be happy about that regardless of how the RP goes.

The whole thing was voided by Goose, but I still bet that the victim will still be unhappy with us.

Let me clear up this little shits retardation, Don't spread shit about me that isn't true, I told you to give him the fucking 69,000 Rubles back and for him to give you 6k plus his rifle he did so, Go saying i voided shit when i didn't i swear to god i will make your life a living hell.

More professionalism, please.